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Post  mouseonfire on Sun May 12, 2013 4:45 pm

OK so we'll be TNTing England next Friday, tactics will need to be spot on, same tactics of PnG and Creative/MOM/aggressive will not work again.

Selection dillemma. Which two of these players should play and who at 10 and who at 15.






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Post  c clampett on Sun May 12, 2013 4:49 pm

yeah bring mcCluskey into 10 with Lavery at FB (with that form probably worth making mcCluskey place kicker as well)

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Post  chimpanmike on Tue May 14, 2013 10:22 pm

Why so little jumping with these guys? Shouldn't a fullback be very high at jumping?

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Post  c clampett on Tue May 14, 2013 10:26 pm

chimpanmike wrote:Why so little jumping with these guys? Shouldn't a fullback be very high at jumping?

if your not using U&U's, not really no

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Post  chimpanmike on Tue May 14, 2013 10:41 pm

But what if they use them , and had a guy with 20 jumping and about 194cm contesting , would he be slaughtered?I hope im not intruding now...

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Post  c clampett on Tue May 14, 2013 10:47 pm

chimpanmike wrote:But what if they use them , and had a guy with 20 jumping and about 194cm contesting , would he be slaughtered?I hope im not intruding now...
not intruding at all no - if the opposition is kicking U&U's to our fullback no amount of jumping is going to help them - even with the ridiculous pace with which BR players can chase those up

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Post  chimpanmike on Tue May 14, 2013 11:05 pm

Ok my example is my fullback evan brallaghan , hes 194cm only 8 on jumping handling is 12 and kck 17 spd 8 , When I see a short opponent a go after him with u+u and brallaghan does alot of catching his own kicks , he did 5 or 6 times in a game , got serious territory , its a tactic I use regurly and I am getting good results , please check my league , Im having a great season , anyway yeh , I just see this has to be a fullbacks role.What ya think?

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Post  chimpanmike on Tue May 14, 2013 11:06 pm

In fairness alot of guys my ranking have far Superíor(16) csr , is there anything im missing or am I just doing brilliantly , Im not bragging at all , I really dont understand it

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Post  c clampett on Tue May 14, 2013 11:22 pm

chimpanmike wrote:Ok my example is my fullback evan brallaghan , hes 194cm only 8 on jumping handling is 12 and kck 17 spd 8 , When I see a short opponent a go after him with u+u and brallaghan does alot of catching his own kicks , he did 5 or 6 times in a game , got serious territory , its a tactic I use regurly and I am getting good results , please check my league , Im having a great season , anyway yeh , I just see this has to be a fullbacks role.What ya think?

yeah, but we're not using U&U's with any of these at FB, none of them were originally trained at FB,

as for the other bit with csr and ranking.. who knows

edit: ah, if your 15 is destroying opponants with u&u's its very unlikely to be anything to do with their fullback, if he was underneath them you'd have just given possession away

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Post  chimpanmike on Tue May 14, 2013 11:38 pm

thanks clamps great to get a good opinion on it , and In my humble opinion , I think Mcluskey at ten and lavery at fullback.

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Post  eoghainchops on Tue May 14, 2013 11:57 pm

The u&u game is one I've never tried. I like the idea of a Ron Kearney type player, has anyone else ever tried what chimpandmike says

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Post  c clampett on Wed May 15, 2013 12:14 am

eoghainchops wrote:The u&u game is one I've never tried. I like the idea of a Ron Kearney type player, has anyone else ever tried what chimpandmike says

yeah, I never had the level of kicking to do it well but ive had some opportunities to mess with it, thing is, if you want to target it i'd be looking more at opposition 11 or centres

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Post  wexford1979 on Wed May 15, 2013 12:17 am

Why would our previous tactics which destroyed them the last two times not work again?

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Post  c clampett on Wed May 15, 2013 12:25 am

wexford1979 wrote:Why would our previous tactics which destroyed them the last two times not work again?

don't worry there's no thought being given to playing an U&U game v england. I think mouse will go for same again with consideration given to normal aggression and a tiny tweak down of kicking

all this just came from a question of selection and chimps question on the lack of jumping in the options we're looking at for fullback in this game

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Post  wexford1979 on Wed May 15, 2013 12:27 am

mouseonfire wrote:OK so we'll be TNTing England next Friday, tactics will need to be spot on, same tactics of PnG and Creative/MOM/aggressive will not work again.

This

We know Driving is a pointless exercise at NT level and expansive against their Superíor(16) backs will be asking for turnovers

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Post  c clampett on Wed May 15, 2013 12:40 am

ah right, hadn't even noticed that, myself and mouse were talking on the chat about it when he posted this, I wanted to see the snapshots before id comment on that choice - I think that evening id said myself that wing had to be looking at mixing things up and we might need to mix things up ourselves, so maybe that's where that was coming from - but having looked at it from wings end since you've seen the pm I sent just saying the same as above, im sure mouse has had similar conclusions too since.

anyway I think that was a fair comment - I don't aggressive will work again

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Post  mouseonfire on Wed May 15, 2013 6:18 am

Yeah I'm thinking of pack based game, take advantage of our big advantage there. We have to cut down on the expansive because we won't have the fast rucks and some of our backs are inferior to their English counterparts. Normal aggression.

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Post  seanand on Wed May 15, 2013 11:03 am

just commenting on up and unders for chimpan, im not sure jumping has as much to do with up and unders as size(height and weight) and more importantly handling. easy enough to scout if your handling is better than his in the stars then up and unders is a good tactic to use

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Post  chimpanmike on Thu May 16, 2013 1:27 pm

That actaully makes loadsa sense , handling is something Im good at in the stars , and my fullback it tall and light with 12 handling so yeh that makes sense , I still think jumping is a factor , I wonder is there any documentation on it , or if Jeremy has said anything.

And on the other side of things , why if your stronger in the pack would you not use driving?And also why not aggressive if your hoping to the take them on up front , wouldnt that help the breakdown.

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Post  mouseonfire on Thu May 16, 2013 6:02 pm

chimpanmike wrote:That actaully makes loadsa sense , handling is something Im good at in the stars , and my fullback it tall and light with 12 handling so yeh that makes sense , I still think jumping is a factor , I wonder is there any documentation on it , or if Jeremy has said anything.

I agree with you, I think jumping is a major factor player v player when two go up for an Up and Under it is the player with higher jumping who is going to come off best, of course that is not the only factor. Also as a rule of thumb, 2cm height = 1cm jumping.

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And on the other side of things , why if your stronger in the pack would you not use driving?And also why not aggressive if your hoping to the take them on up front , wouldnt that help the breakdown.

Well it's not quite as simple as that at international level, at club level you should play what's in front of you more often than not, certainly until you reach the big leagues anyway. However at NT level driving was not very effective when used over 30% for a variety of reasons.

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Post  mouseonfire on Thu May 16, 2013 10:28 pm


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Post  c clampett on Thu May 16, 2013 11:01 pm

id lower that kicking down to 29 or 30%, take away 3 to 5% driving onto P&G, and 2 or 3% from expansive onto creative

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Post  mouseonfire on Fri May 17, 2013 7:29 am

c clampett wrote:id lower that kicking down to 29 or 30%, take away 3 to 5% driving onto P&G, and 2 or 3% from expansive onto creative

Done, done and done.

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Post  wexford1979 on Fri May 17, 2013 2:20 pm

So I have this and Leinster to watch today... excited much

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Post  mouseonfire on Fri May 17, 2013 2:46 pm

wexford1979 wrote:So I have this and Leinster to watch today... excited much

Should be a nice evening, I'm not sure which match is closer Wink

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